tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457001.post112425840490546531..comments2024-01-31T09:33:05.146-08:00Comments on Two World Collision: Position or ProcessErichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03948061964482528393noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457001.post-1124724802168899352005-08-22T08:33:00.000-07:002005-08-22T08:33:00.000-07:00thanks struggleswith...that's an interesting point...thanks struggleswith...<BR/><BR/>that's an interesting point. some people have accused people like me of a perversion of faith but their acting out of fear and hate could be seen as a perversion of our true faith.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03948061964482528393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457001.post-1124403538366076172005-08-18T15:18:00.000-07:002005-08-18T15:18:00.000-07:00Wow, Eric...I've just discovered your blog, after ...Wow, Eric...I've just discovered your blog, after creating my own blog that is basically about the same thing -- I'm a gay, Christian woman trying to figure out what this means...nice to know I'm not alone.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689406528121267867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457001.post-1124350220443668392005-08-18T00:30:00.000-07:002005-08-18T00:30:00.000-07:00no prob Brandon.no prob Brandon.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03948061964482528393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457001.post-1124337247754300332005-08-17T20:54:00.000-07:002005-08-17T20:54:00.000-07:00Sorry if I came off a bit harsh, above. I do have...Sorry if I came off a bit harsh, above. I do have some strong feelings on the matter, and those strong feelings may have clouded a bit of decorum.<BR/><BR/>Apologies.Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06960732995828439466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457001.post-1124333614454344542005-08-17T19:53:00.000-07:002005-08-17T19:53:00.000-07:00william, i appreciate your comments and point of v...william, i appreciate your comments and point of view. you actually illustrate my point of this post. <BR/><BR/>the fact that you say "being gay is not a sickness anymore than it is a sin. Being gay and being Christian is a problem" reveals that you have a position. and you communicate your position based on an uninformed perspective. <BR/><BR/>the point that i'm making in this post is that while people may disagree about the positions we take, we can choose a more Christ-like approach - a process of releasing the pride and arrogance that comes with the assumption that "I" have all answers and all proper understanding of all things, and instead embrace an informed perspective of all positions by hearing not only 'what' others believe but also 'how' they came to that conclusion. this leads to a greater sensitivity for each other. <BR/><BR/>based on your comment, it sounds like you've had your share of insensitive interaction with uninformed and unloving people.<BR/><BR/>the end result of such a process may be a strengthening of your own position or a reassessment - but the point is that in that process, you are choosing not to remain in such a limited community that either holds to 'dogma' or rejects God all together.<BR/><BR/>The reason i appreciate your comment is because you said "You deserve more than dogma and denial." You're right. But you should know that i haven't chosen a religion. I've chosen Christ. and in terms of my community, it's not a limited community that will simply tolerate but not accept me. <BR/><BR/>My community consists of people who believe in Jesus, people who don't, people who are gay, people who are straight, people who are gay and believe in Jesus, people who are straight and believe in Jesus. The whole point is that i have chosen NOT to have a limited community.<BR/><BR/>Whatever your position may be, with all due respect, my suggestion is that you are the one with a limited perspective - of the gay community, of the Christian community, and of God Himself. My challenge to you is to embrace a process that would expand your paradigm and the scope of your relationships so that you could possibly discover a new and different kind of freedom regardless of your position.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03948061964482528393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457001.post-1124322473463744572005-08-17T16:47:00.000-07:002005-08-17T16:47:00.000-07:00You know, there's something about the phrase:"Chri...You know, there's something about the phrase:<BR/><BR/>"Christians stone fags, don't they?"<BR/><BR/>when it's being used to decry Christianity that I really take offense to. I'm not the kind of fellow that is quick to defend the way Christians treat homosexuals. Frankly, (sorry if there are any young ears around) they treat these people shitty. Really shitty.<BR/><BR/>What William writes, well, it's just not true. It's not true that homosexuals will never be accepted, it's not true that all of us think that homosexuality is a sin, and it's not true that we're never going to change. These are lies.<BR/><BR/>I'm not really prepared to bear the burden of all the assholes out there that call themselves Christians. Because, frankly, I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that they really are Christians.<BR/><BR/>So, William, when you ask, "Christians stone fags, don't they?" My answer is no. They don't. <BR/><BR/>Self-loathing bigots who've got fear in their souls and hate in their hearts throw stones. If they call themselves Christians, they're wrong.<BR/><BR/>I'd appreciate it it you'd stop broadly applying the label to them (and by proxy to me), as well. Just like it sounds like you've been hurt by their stones, real or figurative, I have, too.Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06960732995828439466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457001.post-1124317007184374192005-08-17T15:16:00.000-07:002005-08-17T15:16:00.000-07:00“I believe that it's just as important for those i...“I believe that it's just as important for those in my community to engage this process with me. It's not just me on the journey, it's my community on the journey.”<BR/><BR/>With all due respect, you have chosen a community guided by religious doctrine. Christianity is your choice. If you are going to adhere to the words of Jesus, which supposedly “guide” your chosen community, you are obligated to follow that path. <BR/><BR/>Before you commit yourself to a life of sin and suffering, persecution and penance, you may want to consider the alternatives. Being gay is not a sickness anymore than it is a sin. Being gay and being Christian is a problem. It isn’t difficult to recognize the complexity of establishing yourself within such a limited community. I believe Christians stone fags, don’t they? <BR/><BR/>There are a quite a few ideas of who or what God is, what he intends for humanity and more importantly which “community” he has chosen to save. You have chosen a community that isn’t going to change. You will be tolerated, but never accepted. Remember you haven’t chosen God, you’ve only chosen a religion. You deserve more than dogma and denial. <BR/><BR/>Your choice will determine whether you wonder and explore throughout your life or simply “keep the faith”.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457001.post-1124296158216821452005-08-17T09:29:00.000-07:002005-08-17T09:29:00.000-07:00It isn't new, Eric. We've been disagreeing foreve...It isn't new, Eric. We've been disagreeing forever on various theological issues, sometimes coming to blows over them (using differences in our faith positions to create "us" and "them" so as to justify armed conflict -- civil wars in England, conflicts in Europe, current troubles in Ireland, and so on). We've differences in theological position within the last couple of hundred years in America to come to blows over slavery and civil rights, identify those who are proper christians and those who aren't (arminian, calvinist, pre-millenial, amillenial; accomodationist; affirming; pro-life, pro-choice; anti-divorce, pro-no-fault; feminist, pro-traditional gender roles; segregationist, anti-anti-miscenegation and so on and so forth). It never ends. It will never end. We're just the latest hot issue. In 50 years time, people will look back and be astonished at the heat generated just as we look back on segregationists and wonder how in the world people can get so excercised over it.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06559254262445527142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457001.post-1124287922897161342005-08-17T07:12:00.000-07:002005-08-17T07:12:00.000-07:00wow, looks like Brandon and I were thinking along ...wow, looks like Brandon and I were thinking along the same lines yesterday. Thanks David. I hadn't gotten a chance to read badchristian.com for the past few days. Looks like i've got some catching up to do! He makes an intriguing suggestion though - Jesus as the model questioner...Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03948061964482528393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457001.post-1124287282436171052005-08-17T07:01:00.000-07:002005-08-17T07:01:00.000-07:00well said, eric. in light of this post, you might ...well said, eric. in light of this post, you might be interested in <A HREF="http://badchristian.com/index.php/2005/08/16/a_new_metaphor_for_the_gospel" REL="nofollow">this post</A> over at badchristian.comDavid Wienshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15546121174347634968noreply@blogger.com